Streamerp2p Forum

Without doubt, streamer is the best around Well to my opion it is. Why?
Because it is simple and yet flexible. Even managed to get a NSV stream going. What I'd like though is a direct AAC support.

OGG is far better than MP3, but AAC is better than OGG.
Meaning: Where OGG needs around 80Kbit/s AAC does even better at 64Kbit/s.

And some other Video stream support would be nice also.
But wonder what codec could deliver some good Q in low bitrates. Like 15 fps, stream say 200 Kbit/s ? 320x240...

Dunno

Still, the way it is now is allready awesome, thx Ian.

****** it dose good at 24k.

Hi everyone:It's definately WAY better than (dare I even utter the word here? ) PeerCast.0 From what I've heard is that neither AAC nor AAC+ (which sounds even better) have been tested with StreamerP2P, but I plan to do just that once I get my stations back up and running (I have them down at present for maintenance purposes )As I mentioned earlier, AAC+ (which comes natively with Winamp 5.12) sounds EVEN BETTER than AAC. In fact, it so much better, you will [b]never believe what the bitrate of the audio from my TV station will be.

Try 32K on for size.

By using Parabolic Stereo, I can go as low as 24K (yes, you heard me correctly. I said 24K ) without much (if hardly any noticeable) degradation of audio quality.

This, along with 80K VP3 video, would put my station somewhere in the 96-128K region, which is right where I want it (especially when you consider I'm not going to be using conventional streaming).The [B]only formats I would like to see would be Windows Media and true MP4. Anything else, as former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Brian Bosworth (and later NBA star Charles Barkley after Brian) would put it, UNCIVILIZED. As I said before, I'm using VP3 @ 20 fps. and getting overall bitrates of 96-128K (80K video only, though this has not been verified yet).I second that notion.

[b]KEEP UP THE GREAT & WONDERFUL WORK GUYS!!!!

Cheers

EDIT: Someone needs to work on debugging the default normal settings on this board. My post is a mess and I dunno wtf happened.

4 Jeeper One and Others,

Yep AAC plus is the best so far. Allthough I have to admit that OGG still suprises me.

And the fun part about AAC plus is that it can actually be used with StreamerP2P. Takes some codec from Winamp 5.1x copied to the NSVcap.exe folder and rename to a nsv_coder_... name.
( nsv_coder_aacp.dll )

Furthermore, the best possible video codec so far is the x.264 (compatible with the H.264 standard) you can get it at: http://www.x264.nl
Have streamed some with it in VLC, which has x.264 build in. And it was jaw dropping good.

Als there was a NSV cast in StreamerP2P a while ago. Which had x264 for video and AAC Plus for audio. Only 101 Kbit/p/s and simply amazing to watch. It contained Red Dwarf episodes at 320x240 and 25 fps!

And nothing can beat the combi x264 with AAC Plus done by NSVcap through streamer.

So actually streamerP2P is very flexible indeed allready, by supporting NSV. And wonder oh wonder, even MS Mediaplayer 10 supports NSV!
( And OGG also btw )

Tricky part may be getting the x264 video codec to work with NSVcap.
You have to rename the codec to the NSV standard nsv_coder_...
( codec renamed to nsv_coder_x264.dll )

Seems that in the S****Cast is a subject about using the x264 codec with NSVcap. Haven't checked that out yet.

Using these in NSV you have: MP4 next generation. Some processor power is needed though for the video codec.

Hi everyone:snip...True, but it still has some major legal and (mostly) technical hurdles it has to clear before anyone can think seriously about using it.I had my TV station listed in the Winamp Media Library running x264 @ 29.97 fps. and that was even better (unless you took the video full screen. That is where one of the major technical problems lie). I loved it but my machine OTOH didn't. It would sometimes choke and gag on the video till it just simply refused to take any more of it. That's when it just stopped the video giving some error dialog box citing an Assertion Failure or some such thing like that.Ordinarily I would agree with you. However as I said before, x254 faces some tough challenges ahead before ANYONE can think seriously of using it for anything but for testing purposes.

That's not to say that things won't change. But rather it's just to say that A). It's still very much a WIP (That's Work In Progress for you clueless idiots out there ) and B). It faces some legal challenges. Just how serious they are remains to be seen.Err...No to both. Contrary to what seems to be growing popular belief, Windows Media does not support NSV. Heck, Microsoft doesn't even provide official support many AVI-based codecs such as DiVx, though codecs were created for them anyway by the codec manufacturer.Not any trickier than properly configuring any version of the VP codecs. Heck, you've even outlined it below almost to a T...Yep.

Cheers

Eh?

I mentioned aac/plus some time ago here and got slamed. I have been streaming on my own server aac/plus for about 5 months. I stream at 24k aac/plus. I have also got to listen to the great sound that it has on the other side. I think it sounds much better. Dose not need all that extra bandwith.

Well, I'm all for using AAC Plus. Allthough I like OGG, which is far better than MP3, I cannot seem to get the stream to do a steady bitrate. Main thing I'm trying now is to get it below 64 Kbit.( Without getting Low-Bitrate effects in the sound.) Almost succeeded with short peaks at 67/68, but the buffer will catch up with that I guess.
( Try to keep in mind that minimal upload for some is 128 kbps )

With AAC Plus I would not have to worry about that anymore, because it does what it does at a steady bitrate, with only minor changes.
Have listened to stations that use the AAC Plus encoder at 48 Kbps and the quality is very good indeed.

Could allready use NSVcap in combination with the AAC Plus Codec, but most of them use streamerP2P only to listen. And explaining how they would have to listen to a nice NSV stream, well, most would not want to be bothered really.

Still hoping AAC Plus will be incorporated into StreamerP2P.
Only thing would be the licence I guess.

Would not mind having to pay for StreamerP2P AAC Plus version.
Keep a version without 4-3 and with for a reasonable price?

Next version has aac/+ using external playback.

I'm very happy right now

Thx Iain!